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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2010.04.22 06:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Wu Marusyn
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I will slightly disagree regarding ship BPO's because the market is not as big as in modules and ammo. It's really disappointing for instance that even though I have the skills and the BPO's of all T1 cruisers of all races, if I start inventing them it would be an expensive hobby of mine cause I'd be selling them at a significant loss.
But even then, when I consider that the situation is the same with the Tech 2 battleships (for most of them)I find it hard to believe that even if the T2 ship BPOs are removed that the situation will change much.
Note than the often cited Quen 2-2009 say clearly: "Figure 31: Heavy Assault Ships are one of the most popular classes of Tech II ships and inventors have jumped at the opportunity to fill the demand for these versatile combat ships, covering 75% of the market."
So the problem here aren't the BPO owners but the inventors that think that self produced materials/datacores are 0 value.
Clearly you already know that (seeing your comment on T2 BS) but some people can miss that little info.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cang Zar
A better example is probably the capital ship production example that a couple of people have brought up. It illustrates the difference almost perfectly, because it IS possible to get a set of capital ship BPOs, research and produce them, chances are youÆll fail miserable, but itÆs possible to compete with other capital producersà And more importantly, youÆre competing with everyone else at an even ground. This is a fair system. ItÆs NOT so when an inventor tries to compete with a BPO-owner.
After the Nth repetition of this example I think a simple comment is in order:
Can you explain to me how you can buy a high sec capital ship without buying it from one of the lucky people that had a constructed capital ship there before they were banned from high sec?
Essentially, how you can get a Dreadnought in Amarr if Chribba is not willing to sell his?
So it is not fair. some people has capital ships in high sec but you can't build them or get them in any way if they aren't willing to sell.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Elrinarie
2) apparently you don't read market reports and how much the very limited t2 bpo's make up for certain aspects of the market. There are only a few markets that it isn't dominating and that to me indicates that there is a fundamental problem with invention.
Your "fundamental problem" is very simple to explain and impossible to cure:
smart people produce what give the greatest return and sell easily
I will not produce a frigate when producing a hulk will give me more isk spending the same time and work.
I will not produce ammunitions that will sell 1.000 units in a day in Jita even if they give me a profit of 100% as the net income is 400 isk for each unit.
I will produce modules that I know will be sold in 1-2 days and will give me a return of 300-500K for each unit, even if the profit is only 40%.
Most inventors (the successful ones) will go were there is more money to make and leave the marginal market to BPO owners or people that invent without doing a market analysis.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.01 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zedia Zhane
There are several different categories of T2 BPOs.
You are forgetting:
Case 5:
That are items were the best named/worst faction is equivalent or better than the T2 item and common enough (thank to high number of drops or the LP shop) that the named/faction version price work as a cap for the T2 item.
An example are most of the T2 ammunitions against the faction version.
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